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Charlie Lewis
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I think that is what it is, I am not sure of the terminology.
I made the jelly roll then sliced it up into cubes, then stick welded mono steel on either edge with the cubes in the middle. I sealed all the seams with welding beads. Then shmooshed away.
Victor got me thinking about different ways to put layered steels together.
I made the jelly roll then sliced it up into cubes, then stick welded mono steel on either edge with the cubes in the middle. I sealed all the seams with welding beads. Then shmooshed away.
Victor got me thinking about different ways to put layered steels together.
Did you put them next to each other, or where the sides where they touched each other slanting and overlapping?
I have seen some YT videos where they did what you did, but without monosteel on the sides.
The reason for this was they had pattern bar, and then cut pieces at an angle, then flipped the pices 90 degrees, tack welded them together, and then forge welded.
The slanted overlaps would weld clean because of the impact with forced the pieces together.
Not sure how reliable this process is, because if you hit too hard, you separate them because of the shearing forces.
I have seen some YT videos where they did what you did, but without monosteel on the sides.
The reason for this was they had pattern bar, and then cut pieces at an angle, then flipped the pices 90 degrees, tack welded them together, and then forge welded.
The slanted overlaps would weld clean because of the impact with forced the pieces together.
Not sure how reliable this process is, because if you hit too hard, you separate them because of the shearing forces.
Charlie Lewis
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It was all 90 degree no overlap or angles. I think the process works out pretty good. The pieces are pinned in place with welds and have no place to go but to smoosh into each other.
There is not a lot of shear during the process, the work is supported by the anvil. I suppose the hammer blows could cause shear but I have not had that kind of failure. My only failures have been from being lazy and poor fit up before welding.
I think it is a valid and good process for a knife or razor that will not be abused, but not something like a prybar.
There is not a lot of shear during the process, the work is supported by the anvil. I suppose the hammer blows could cause shear but I have not had that kind of failure. My only failures have been from being lazy and poor fit up before welding.
I think it is a valid and good process for a knife or razor that will not be abused, but not something like a prybar.
I'm sure that this will look familiar so I'll explain before rumours start flying.
Someone contacted me to make a wootz razor, but he wanted one that looked very much like Charlie's.
My first reflex was no, but then i considered that he only contacted me because it had to be wootz. Still, others have copied Charlie and i always thought it bad taste so I discussed it with Charlie on the phone and he gave me his blessing for this particular request.
I forged it to be almost an exact copy of the picture i got from the customer, with advice from Charlie.
The blade is still oversize. It has to come out larger than 9/8 and i decided to forge it larger and with enough meat on the blade near the spine so i could make it more smiling and adjust the edge correspondingly.
Someone contacted me to make a wootz razor, but he wanted one that looked very much like Charlie's.
My first reflex was no, but then i considered that he only contacted me because it had to be wootz. Still, others have copied Charlie and i always thought it bad taste so I discussed it with Charlie on the phone and he gave me his blessing for this particular request.
I forged it to be almost an exact copy of the picture i got from the customer, with advice from Charlie.
The blade is still oversize. It has to come out larger than 9/8 and i decided to forge it larger and with enough meat on the blade near the spine so i could make it more smiling and adjust the edge correspondingly.
Yep absolutely.
I have gotten requests for 'kinda looks like Charlie' blades before, but always refuse.
The only reason I decided to even consider it was it is wootz and I am the only one doing this.
Even so I told the customer I would first discuss it with Charlie.
And if Charlie hadn't been completely positive about it, I would have simply refused this one as well.
This is a special case, one-off, discussed before accepting the commission, and only because it was wootz.
The people who have been doing this for a long time all have a certain style.
Even without marks, we can all recognize who made a specific razor.
I CAN make a razor in the style that looks just like Maximilian, or Charlie, or Robert Williams.
But if you want one that looks like Max or Charlie made, then contact Max or Charlie.
We all ask the same ball park prices anyway.
Charlie Lewis
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I am happy Bruno is making this blade.
It is all good and looks good to me.
It is all good and looks good to me.
32t
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I am not trying to start an argument but think that this is an interesting concept to bring up.
The few things that I have made and not for sale have been closer to Charlies style more than Bruno's.
With his help and teaching that is where it has ended up.
I am certainly not in competition with any one.
But in such a basic design of a razor where would I cross the line in "stealing" or whatever would make offence to another?
The few things that I have made and not for sale have been closer to Charlies style more than Bruno's.
With his help and teaching that is where it has ended up.
I am certainly not in competition with any one.
But in such a basic design of a razor where would I cross the line in "stealing" or whatever would make offence to another?
The argument exists in any creative art: when is something 'unique' and when is it ' knock off' or 'inspired by'.
There exists no hard line, because in the end it is about subjective observation.
I have seen 2 people make a virtual replica of one of Charlie's iconic razors. Except they were poorly ground
But they appeared virtually identical, so imo those were knock offs. There are also blades that look 'inspired by'. Hard to say anything about that. For me, if I use an idea that is not common, I make a reference to where I saw it before. But even so, there is a lot of wiggle room.
Now in this case, my goal is to make it look as close to the original. But knock-off typically also implies inferior quality and lack of approval from the person who made the original. So I'll a copy.
I don't think there is a good way to settle the argument.
For me it was simple. Charlie's one of my best friends so the only thing that mattered to me was what he thinks of the idea
There exists no hard line, because in the end it is about subjective observation.
I have seen 2 people make a virtual replica of one of Charlie's iconic razors. Except they were poorly ground
But they appeared virtually identical, so imo those were knock offs. There are also blades that look 'inspired by'. Hard to say anything about that. For me, if I use an idea that is not common, I make a reference to where I saw it before. But even so, there is a lot of wiggle room.
Now in this case, my goal is to make it look as close to the original. But knock-off typically also implies inferior quality and lack of approval from the person who made the original. So I'll a copy.
I don't think there is a good way to settle the argument.
For me it was simple. Charlie's one of my best friends so the only thing that mattered to me was what he thinks of the idea